rckclimber777 says... #1

Hey, I updated the Ghired deck that I walked through in the Build a deck with me thread. I ended up going full out combo heavy with an emphasis on winning as quickly as possible. Do you mind taking a look? I incorporated a lot of your feedback especially the tutors.

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May 9, 2024 9:46 a.m.

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I’m thinking about what other cards can combo with Ghired.

A combo usually has the drawback that it’s single pieces don’t do anything by themselves. So ideally you want combos that work with your Commander and are synergetic by themselves.

Here is an idea.

Pili-Pala can tap with Ghired to copy any token, and for you can untap it to gain one mana of any color.

Illusionist's Bracers will copy any activated ability as long as it doesn’t create mana. In this deck especially, this card is great as it works with your Commander and any other creature that has received your Commander‘s ability to basically act as a token doubler.

Now, if you equip Pili-Pala with the Bracers, and if you made a treasure and a clue token this turn (which isn’t inconceivable in this deck), you can now do the following:

  1. Tap Pili-Pala to create two copies of the treasure.
  2. Use those treasures to untap Pili-Pala and gain one mana of any Color
  3. Repeat this process any number of times to gain any number of coloured mana.
  4. Move on to tap Pili-Pala to create two copies of the Clue token.
  5. Use your infinite floating mana to untap Pili-Pala (and generate more mana).
  6. Repeat this process to create any number of Clue tokens.
  7. Use your infinite floating mana to crack those Clues and draw your entire deck.
  8. Use your infinite floating mana to cast any number of spells from your hand.

I just came up with the combo while waiting for my food, but I think should work.

You could also use Ashnod's Altar. This card usually is great in creature token decks, as it, too, is useful by itself.

In this case you can use Pili-Pala to create a copy of a creature token. Sac that token to the altar to get . Use this mana to untap Pili-Pala and generate one mana of any color.

Repeat this to generate an infinite amount of mana. Then proceed to copy a Clue token. Since you have infinite mana in your pool, you can keep untapping Pili-Pala and keep creating Clue tokens. You can then go on to crack them and draw and cast everything.

April 29, 2024 3:20 p.m. Edited.

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*Ojer Taq only creates creature tokens I meant.

April 29, 2024 7:56 a.m.

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If I may add a few other notes to your thought process.

At this point, you are already on the track of using known combos and putting them into a Naya shell. There are many other combos that can go with this, you just need to tutor for them.

Note that haste is an important aspect to this. Zealous Conscripts is much better than Hyrax Tower Scout or Sparring Mummy for this reason, even though both have cheaper mana value. Without haste, your million tokens will just be board-wiped. You could argue for redundancy, but the truth is that tutors and recursion such as Eternal Witness and Skullwinder are much better, because they add to your strategy with more flexibility.

Most creature tutors are green non-creature spells that search for green creatures. However, you want to keep the amount of non-creature spells low, because Ghired's ability doesn't apply to them. But there are some great tutors that can help you find your pieces:

Most of these cards use ETBs. If you can give them haste - ideally with creatures - you can cast them, make use of their ETB, and directly tap them with Ghired for value. Anger comes to mind, Hellraiser Goblin is great (you won't be attacking, because you are going to tap your creatures with Ghired), Yarus, Roar of the Old Gods can be okay. As for non-creature spells, you have Mass Hysteria, Concordant Crossroads, Fervor, Rising of the Day. Though I would probably only consider Hammer of Purphoros as it can create tokens.

As for the token doublers, I'm not sure if they really fit the deck. Sure, they are staples for token strategies. But what's the point of making infinite tokens go double? Mondrak, Glory Dominus and Ojer Taq, Deepest Foundation  Flip will put a bounty on your head which is not a good thing in a combo-deck. You want to stay under the radar until you can go off.
Mondrak only doubles creature tokens, so you are not making more treasures. And the other doublers like Anointed Procession, Parallel Lives etc. will not tap with Ghired. Since you also want to put in all the other Naya-staple enchantments like Smothering Tithe and Guardian Project etc., you will just fill your deck with non-creatures that don't synergize with your commander.

Some cards worth mentioning are:
- Illusionist's Bracers - Cloudstone Curio (create a creature token, return a creature with an ETB to your hand). - Helm of the Host

April 29, 2024 5:50 a.m.

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(Accidental double post)

April 27, 2024 6:45 p.m. Edited.

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[sic!] Some other standouts are Emmara, Soul of the Accord who when tapped creates a 1/1 soldier with lifelink. So tapping will actually create two tokens. [/sic!]

Just to clarify Emmara, Soul of the Accord and Ghired, Mirror of the Wilds‘s interaction.

The activated ability given by Ghired requires a legal target. Without target the ability cannot be activated. So Emmara cannot tap this way if there is no token that has entered the battlefield this turn and that could be targeted.
But only after activating the ability does Emmara‘s own ability trigger to create a token.

So Emmara does not copy it's own token from that turn, because the token does not yet exist. And Emmara cannot copy its tokens from previous turns, because they didn’t enter this turn.

Emmara can still be great to copy other tokens (as any nontoken creature in this deck), and it can create a consistent army especially with the doublers.

April 27, 2024 6:43 p.m.

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Hi. Great idea, I’m well entertained!

Here is a thing, I don’t get the following play.

Context:
T1 Sol Ring
T2 Oltec Matterweaver
T3 Ghired, Mirror of the Wilds

[sic!]
Turn 1 you play a plains and a sol ring. Turn 2 you bring this out, turn 3 you bring out Ghired, creating a copy of sol ring, tap your Oltec Matterweaver and create another sol ring.
[/sic!]

Oltec creates a token that’s a copy of an artifact token. It basically populates it. Ghired, too, only allows for creating copies of tokens.
So how does Ghired create a copy of Sol Ring? Where does that copy come from?

April 27, 2024 5:18 p.m. Edited.

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