Wich triggers first, Landfall or Land-ETB?
Asked by Quickspell 3 years ago
When I play Halimar Depths and due to Parallel Lives my Rampaging Baloths creature tokens explore for 2x4 on their Path of Discovery ...
...when does Halimar Depths' trigger resolve? Before or after the exploring? Does the landfall/creature-etb trigger first, or the land-etb?
Gidgetimer says... #2
Both trigger at the same time and you as their control get to decide what order the triggers are put on the stack.
April 14, 2021 7:18 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #6
You are welcome and since berryjon and I have conflicting answers here is the proof of mine.
603.2. Whenever a game event or game state matches a triggered ability’s trigger event, that ability automatically triggers. The ability doesn’t do anything at this point.
603.3. Once an ability has triggered, its controller puts it on the stack as an object that’s not a card the next time a player would receive priority. See rule 117, “Timing and Priority.” The ability becomes the topmost object on the stack. It has the text of the ability that created it, and no other characteristics. It remains on the stack until it’s countered, it resolves, a rule causes it to be removed from the stack, or an effect moves it elsewhere.
603.3b If multiple abilities have triggered since the last time a player received priority, each player, in APNAP order, puts triggered abilities they control on the stack in any order they choose. (See rule 101.4.) Then the game once again checks for and resolves state-based actions until none are performed, then abilities that triggered during this process go on the stack. This process repeats until no new state-based actions are performed and no abilities trigger. Then the appropriate player gets priority.
When Halimar Depths enters the battlefield it triggers, because it entered, and Rampaging Baloths triggers, because a land entered. Neither trigger goes on the stack until a player would receive priority. The next time a player would receive priority you have two triggers to go on the stack. You, as the controller of the abilities get to decide what order they go on the stack.
Since we are already neck deep in an explanation I was trying to avoid I am also going to mention that Parallel Lives does not have a trigger. It is a static ability that creates a replacement effect that replaces tokens entering with twice that many tokens entering instead.
603.1. Triggered abilities have a trigger condition and an effect. They are written as “[When/Whenever/At] [trigger condition or event], [effect]. [Instructions (if any).]”
614.1a Effects that use the word “instead” are replacement effects. Most replacement effects use the word “instead” to indicate what events will be replaced with other events.
April 14, 2021 7:40 p.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... Accepted answer #7
The chosen answer has some inaccuracies.
Both the Rampaging Baloths and Halimar Depths trigger at the same time. Since you control both triggers, you decide in what order they go on the stack, and therefore in what order they resolve.
Parallel Lives does not trigger, it replaces the event of tokens entering with twice as many tokens entering the battlefield instead. These tokens enter the battlefield at the same time, not one after another.
Since the tokens enter simultaneously, Path of Discovery will trigger twice and you can decide in what order they go on the stack. Path of Discovery does not modify the state of any creatures, tokens or otherwise. It simply has a trigger that occurs whenever a creature ETB’s.
Once all is said and done, you’ll have the two tokens with either a +1 counter on one or both depending on the results of their respective Path of Discovery triggers. Then, depending on how you stacking Rampaging Baloths and Halimar Depths , you might have a Depths trigger to resolve, or you might not.
April 14, 2021 7:44 p.m.
Quickspell says... #8
Raging_Squiggle It just got a little game-of-throny here with plot twist XD
I guess I have change the Answer then. Thank you for the deep analysis, I got it now!
(berryjon It's still the same result, though. Good to know I can have it resolve at the end:)
berryjon says... #1
First in, Last out. Halimar Depths ETB's and its ability goes onto the stack. Then, Rampaging Baloths goes on the stack.
Baloths resolves, putting Lives and Discovery onto the stack as a creature that also happens to be a token has entered the battlefield. As they look at different things - Lives looks at the token itself, Discovery modifies the state of the token, the order doesn't matter. Once the duplicate token from Lives ETB's, then regardless if the Discovery trigger for the first token has resolved or not, the copied token puts a Discovery trigger on the stack. Both of those resolve, and you have two Baloth tokens with zero or one +1/+1 counters from the Explore trigger.
Then you resolve the Halimar trigger and look at the top of your library.
April 14, 2021 7:17 p.m.