Necronomicon | Teysa Karlov | Primer

Commander / EDH Masterful

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Commander 2019 —Aug. 12, 2019

I didn't have high hopes for this set in terms of Teysa because its themes didn't have anything to do with death triggers, but I'll go over the cards I found interesting.

Doomed Artisan: Too slow to provide anything over the other token producers, but if left alone, it could do a lot of work.

Gift of Doom: Might be worth considering if people keep killing Teysa. I've never felt like I need indestructible for her enough to include a card like this though.

Idol of Oblivion: Definitely powerful if you can activate it consistently, but my build doesn't use enough token producers to have it up often enough.

K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth: This is pretty powerful. It might be good enough to cut costs over several turns, but it'd need to survive that long. I'd consider playing it more in a nearly mono-black build.

While there weren't any slam dunk staples gained from this set, there definitely will be with the soon-coming Eldraine brawl decks. Arcane Signet'll find a spot in this deck just as it will in probably every other EDH deck.

Zordy93 says... #1

How about Kaya's Guile ?? i think is a good card for this deck.

June 5, 2019 10:09 a.m.

Masterful says... #2

Zordy93 It has a lot of utility, but outside of graveyard heavy metas, it's a bit lacking. The forced sacrifice is good but overcosted by itself for 3 mana. Exiling graveyards is really good but only in certain metas. The other two abilities don't really do anything for our deck, so I'd say if you're at least getting value from the graveyard aspect, then it's worth looking at. My meta isn't hyper graveyard centered, so I'm gonna go without it.

June 10, 2019 6:54 p.m.

Quickspell says... #3

Great Deck!
Wouldn't Bloodghast , Brood of Cockroaches and Nether Traitor be better options to Doomed Traveler , Reassembling Skeleton , or Hunted Witness ? They may not create extra tokens, but they can repeatedly trigger non-token-death-triggers.

June 18, 2019 9:14 a.m.

phsycord says... #4

I play all three cards you wanted to swap out in my own Teysa Deck (Teysa Karlov's Citadel).

Reassembling Skeleton is simply awesome because you can do this in instant speed and it has really nice combos you can pull off to get infinite death triggers and sometimes also infinite mana. The same goes for Nether Traitor , awesome card and I'd include it.

If you are not on a budget then Bloodghast might be an improvement over Doomed Traveler or Hunted Witness . Sometimes can screw you if you don't have enough fixing, but depending you'll be playing this card early, I think it should be fine. Only downside is that you don't get immediate value. Both Travler and Witness give you 2 creatures for , which is nice.

For Brood of Cockroaches I'm a bit sceptical, because you get it back in to your hand EOT. So no combos are possible like the ones for Skeleton and Traitor. I'd rather run a Doomed Traveler or Hunted Witness instead for immediate value.

June 18, 2019 4:21 p.m.

sub780lime says... #5

It seems like combo 2 is missing the sac outlet. I am think there should be a "+ Sac Outlet" included. Let me know if I am wrong.

June 19, 2019 4 p.m.

phsycord says... #6

@sub780lime: imo the wording of the 2nd combo is correct, as it states: "one creature dying" creates you two tokens and two spirits (also tokens).

But of course it's awesome if you have a sack outlet on board and can instantly create 9 death triggers off of one non token creature dying.

June 19, 2019 5:30 p.m.

sub780lime says... #7

The wording specifically mentions sac'ing a creature with no sac outlet mentioned:

"Ogre Slumlord or Pawn of Ulamog + Requiem Angel + Teysa: The angel triggers on any non-spirit creature, so with it, Ogre Slumlord or Pawn of Ulamog , and Teysa in play at once, a single creature dying will grant two tokens and two spirits. The tokens can then be sac'd to make four 1/1 spirits. This results in a possible total of 9 death triggers from one creature dying."

June 19, 2019 9:26 p.m.

phsycord says... #8

Well then go with: The tokens can then be sac'd with a sac outlet to make four 1/1 spirits. But imo it's pretty clear you need a sac outlet to sac something...

June 20, 2019 12:03 p.m.

TheNocholas says... #9

In two color decks I normally play it conservative when I cut in lands that dont instantly tap for colored mana. In my opinion prismatic vista is not better than just running a plains. I feel the card doesn't gain value until the third color, its perfect when wincons are in splash colors.

June 21, 2019 6:39 a.m.

Quickspell says... #10

Thank you phsycord, for sharing your thoughts, they were very insightful.

June 21, 2019 7:59 a.m.

sub780lime says... #11

phsycord, I see what you are saying about assumed information by needing a sac outlet. I am only pointing out there is an inconsistency between combo 2 and combo 3. If the combo is its end result (winning in combo 3, 9 death triggers in combo 2), then the sac outlet is a requirement and should be listed. If the sac outlet in combo 2 is just a bonus and not a core part of the combo being conveyed, then the wording you mentioned would definitely be a little clearer.

June 27, 2019 10:43 a.m.

V6e6n6om says... #12

Any new cards from M20?

July 9, 2019 11:36 p.m.

sub780lime says... #13

The Cavalier's are the most obvious choices, but I don't think they add enough and the weight of their color for their CMC's is prohibitive. Brought Back could be an interesting play, but not strong enough at this decks price point, IMO.

July 9, 2019 11:57 p.m.

Masterful says... #14

V6e6n6om Overall, M20 isn’t as impressive as it’s recent predecessors. Like sub780lime says, Brought Back is probably the closest to making the cut, but it’s a bit too situational. The cavaliers are cute but too color intensive for they power they bring. I’m not fully sold on my opinions yet, so I’ll see how the set rolls out

July 14, 2019 7:33 a.m.

V6e6n6om says... #15

Masterful what about corpse knight. For our token generation damage.

July 14, 2019 12:08 p.m.

V6e6n6om says... #16

July 14, 2019 12:09 p.m.

Masterful says... #17

V6e6n6om I’d rather play Vindictive Vampire or Falkenrath Noble . Corpse knight’s not a death trigger so Teysa can’t double it, and I don’t have enough token cards to take advantage of it otherwise. I could see it in a list with 20-30 token generators, or something more budget, but right now, it doesn’t do enough.

July 14, 2019 2:42 p.m.

Masterful says... #18

I've been away for a bit, but I'd like to address the general comments since I've been gone, so here goes.

alika Nether Traitor is definitely good but I prefer Reassembling Skeleton . I haven't needed the redundancy because of all my tutors, and (thankfully) my playgroup doesn't play much grave hate. If you're having trouble with sticking skeleton or accessing him, I'd definitely play traitor as well. As for Bloodghast or Brood of Cockroaches , they wouldn't be bad in a deck like this, I prefer 3 immediate creatures over one per turn, especially when 3 creatures is often all I need to draw into more. I'll add both to the maybeboard though, good suggestions, thanks for liking the deck, and sorry for the late reply!

sub780lime and phsycord, I'll change the wording to: The tokens can then be sac'd with a sac outlet, as it makes more sense. Thanks for correcting this.

July 14, 2019 3:01 p.m.

Tiddlydon says... #19

Would Skeletal Vampire be useful as a token generator or too expensive?

July 17, 2019 8:47 a.m.

Due to the amount of life gain these decks can use, I'm surprised no one has mentioned Vizkopa Guildmage . Essentially double the damage of the already doubled aristocrats. I know it would need ramp for consistency but it still seems worth it to me

July 17, 2019 12:33 p.m.

Sabelaine says... #21

I love this build! I don't have Recruiter of the Guard but might be getting it soon, which cards do you usually find with it? Thanks!

July 22, 2019 11:30 a.m.

Masterful says... #22

Tiddlydon Yeah, I'd say Skeletal Vampire is too much mana to replace any of the cards currently in the deck, especially since it's not a death trigger. It wouldn't do poorly though in a budget build, but I'd still personally rather play token generators that work off death triggers like Ogre Slumlord or Requiem Angel .

SwordOfMorning I don't usually kill with token damage, so I wouldn't play Vizkopa Guildmage . I could see running it in more of a token-centric lifegain build. This build doesn't actually gain as much life as you might think which is why I don't play lifegain payoffs.

Sabelaine Recruiter of the Guard isn't super necessary to the success of the deck, he just makes it more consistent. I mainly use him to start a Ranger of Eos death chain, but he can also get Blood Artist and friends which are the main wincons. If you're willing to spend the money he's a great addition.

July 26, 2019 3:29 a.m.