Banning Battle of Wits

Noble ChrisH

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shinobigarth says... #1

Seriously they need to ban Wits in noble. Even in a pure Island deck its a guaranteed turn 6 win.

December 8, 2014 7:44 p.m.

Not quite guaranteed, though. All it takes is Natural End or something to that end to ruin it after it's cast, but before the caster's next upkeep. This deck is not unlike my own All or Nothing deck which is practically a for sure thing on the first match, but once the opponent(s) know what to expect...

December 8, 2014 8:48 p.m.

ChrisH says... #3

@shinobigarth - While it is extremely competitive I must say that I disagree with you. I am currently working on some other builds but there are many that can beat it.

Mono Red/Splash (Fastland rare) Burn/Aggro

Kiki-Jiki Combo (w/Deceiver Exarch and Pestermite)

Mono-Blue Counterspells

Land Destruction (Check out this deck, I can't remember the name but it is a Urborg deck)

So overall while this deck is very strong and dominant in the format, it is similar to Jund or another top tier deck in modern.

December 8, 2014 8:51 p.m.

ChrisH says... #4

Oh yeah, the deck is Buckminster's

December 8, 2014 8:52 p.m.

shinobigarth says... #5

sure it can be beaten like any deck, but the point is, you won't have just this and Islands, you'll have something like this deck here, counters and stuff to slow your opponent down. stuff to slow down aggro or what have you and then lay it down turn 5, and then barring the fairly unlikely chance of them having enchantment destruction between your turn 5 and 6 (if they are even packing any of that since this is not modern), you just auto win. in any other format its not a big deal since you have to draw it, but when you can just play the exact card needed to auto win as soon as you have the mana, and your opponent can't stop it unless they happen to be running something that can get rid of it, yeah its just not fun to play against.

Countryside Crusher isn't that bad since he can be killed or dealt with much easier and in every color. Battle of Wits is like, not playing blue? not running green or white enchantment hate (i.e. black or red)?? too bad, you lose!!! yeah, its just pretty dumb. if noble really ends up taking off, i just hope i don't see more than a couple of these decks, which granted i probably won't but...

December 9, 2014 12:27 a.m.

ibstudent2200 says... #6

Is Pristine Talisman worth playing as a potential ramp spell?

Disruptive Pitmage and Disruptive Student can both help counter anything that would hit Battle of Wits.

Power Sink seems useful if you can cast it the turn before you play Battle of Wits. It gives your opponent fewer opportunities to answer your win condition.

February 15, 2015 1:38 p.m.

you may want to run things that shuffle your grave back into your deck just in case

February 19, 2015 5:05 p.m.

ibstudent2200 says... #8

DERPLINGSUPREME, it looks like you need to reread Feldon's Cane.

February 19, 2015 11:26 p.m.

:3

February 20, 2015 12:35 a.m.

ChrisH says... #10

I think I'll fit all of your deck suggestions into it. I apologize for the late response. Thanks, ibstudent2200.

February 20, 2015 6:02 p.m.

Saljen says... #11

4x Repeal definitely belongs in here. It replaces itself and is easy to cast since you have 127 lands, haha. I'd also suggest more cantrips like Sleight of Hand, Thoughtscour, and Serum Visions. Daze and Snap are also very good.

April 19, 2015 3:33 p.m.

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