Upkeep triggers.
Asked by proterran98 3 months ago
I have 19 creatures in play. I have Court of Grace and Epic Struggle in play. It now becomes my turn, can I order the triggers so that I win with epic struggle?
If you have Oloro, Ageless Ascetic in the command zone and have Test of Endurance in play and 48 life can you win with test of endurance?
Gidgetimer says... Accepted answer #2
While the information that legendofa gave is true, it is also incomplete and leads to the wrong answer.
The triggers on both Test of Endurance and Epic Struggle contain intervening "if" clauses. Since you did not have 50 life or 20 creatures respectively at the beginning of the upkeep, the triggers will not trigger. If you did meet the trigger conditions at the beginning of the upkeep your opponents can even deal damage to you or remove a creature to prevent you winning the game, because the clauses are checked again upon resolution and the triggers will be removed and do nothing.
603.4. A triggered ability may read “When/Whenever/At [trigger event], if [condition], [effect].” When the trigger event occurs, the ability checks whether the stated condition is true. The ability triggers only if it is; otherwise it does nothing. If the ability triggers, it checks the stated condition again as it resolves. If the condition isn’t true at that time, the ability is removed from the stack and does nothing. Note that this mirrors the check for legal targets. This rule is referred to as the “intervening ‘if’ clause” rule. (The word “if” has only its normal English meaning anywhere else in the text of a card; this rule only applies to an “if” that immediately follows a trigger condition.)
February 6, 2024 6:56 a.m.
And that's why you don't answer rules questions while half asleep. Thanks for the clarification, Gidgetimer!
legendofa says... #1
If you control two triggered abilities that share the same trigger, you choose which order they resolve in.
Both scenarios here can win the game off upkeep triggers, as long as you arrange them so the life gain or creature generation resolves first.
February 6, 2024 2:03 a.m.