Timing interaction between Orvar, the All-Form and Inga Rune-Eyes
Asked by CamraMaan 1 year ago
Orvar, the All-Form and Inga Rune-Eyes are in play, and after two of my opponent's creatures die in combat I cast Jump targeting Inga, which will give it flying and then make a copy of Inga from Orvar. When that copy enters the battlefield I will get a scry 3 trigger, but the Inga copy will be immediately sacrificed due to the legendary rule, which will trigger Inga again for me to draw three cards. So the timing question regards when the triggers for the scry 3 and draw 3 take place, since the sacrifice of Inga is automatic and therefore should go on the stack before the scry 3 trigger resolves... So do I get to scry 3 first, then draw three, or am I stuck drawing three before I get to scry...? Thanks in advance!
Appreciated!
I assume the same would be true with a Rite of Replication instead of Jump, effectively drawing 15 cards before 5x scry 3...?
January 2, 2023 2:51 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #3
You get to decide the order.
In 704.3 quoted above, "Whenever a player would get priority..." means the check is done right before that player actually gets priority. When an ability triggers, it's put onto the stack the next time a player gets priority. In this situation, that means Inga's ETB triggers when she enters the battlefield, she's put into the graveyard for SBAs before anyone gets priority again, so now her "dies" ability also triggers. When a player is finally given priority after SBAs are done, the triggers are trying to go onto the stack at the same time, so since you control them both you get to decide the order.
In the kicked Rite of Replication example, keep in mind you have to decide the order of all the triggers before you start resolving any of them. You can't order them on the fly as you scry and draw.
January 3, 2023 10:23 a.m.
With Rite of Replication does that mean I can order them scry 3 > draw 3 > scry 3 > draw 3 > scry 3, etc...?
January 3, 2023 10:58 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #5
Yes, you can order them however you want since they're all trying to go onto the stack at the same time and you control them all. Triggers from the same object don't even have to be next to each other. For example, "3x Scry 3 > 5x Draw 3 > 2x Scry 3" would also be a valid choice.
veritablecvn says... Accepted answer #1
The ‘Legend Rule’ is a state-based action so it does not use the stack. Here are three of the relevant rules:
704.1. State-based actions are game actions that happen automatically whenever certain conditions (listed below) are met. State-based actions don’t use the stack.
704.3. Whenever a player would get priority (see rule 117, “Timing and Priority”), the game checks for any of the listed conditions for state-based actions, then performs all applicable state-based actions simultaneously as a single event.
704.5j If two or more legendary permanents with the same name are controlled by the same player, that player chooses one of them, and the rest are put into their owners’ graveyards. This is called the “legend rule.”
Here is how I understand the interaction you are describing resolving based off of the above rules: You cast Jump targeting Inga Rune-Eyes causing the Orvar, the All-Form trigger to be put on the stack and a round of priority. The trigger resolves and the copy of Inga Rune-Eyes enters the battlefield triggering the scry three to be put on the stack and a round of priority. State-based actions are checked and the legend rule applies so you choose an Inga to save and then you put the other one into the graveyard. This causes the draw three trigger to be put on the stack and a round of priority. The draw three resolves and you draw three, there’s a round of priority, and then the scry three resolves and you scry three.
January 2, 2023 1:22 a.m.