Spelunking and Karametra
Asked by Sallego 6 months ago
Just need clarification on what happens with Spelunking and Karametra, God of Harvests both out. I know Karametra works with Amulet of Vigor because Amulet is a triggered ability.
My guess is that the cards fetched with Karametra, God of Harvests will still enter tapped because the "can't overrides can" rule on conflicting rules text. It's the same reason you can't pay the 2 life for a shock land and have it enter untapped if you searched it up with Karametra.
Rhadamanthus says... Accepted answer #2
You get to choose whether they enter tapped or untapped. There are multiple replacement effects that would affect how the Cave enters the battlefield: the effect from the Cave's own ability, the effect of Spelunking's last ability and the effect from Karametra, God of Harvests' last ability. Since you control the affected object, you decide what order to apply the replacement effects that are trying to affect it. In this example, since applying any one of them doesn't change whether the others can still be applied, whichever one you apply last will be the one that wins out.
The reason Stomping Ground and friends don't work under Karametra is because with the way that replacement effect is written, it doesn't actually do anything when you pay life (it only does something if you don't pay), so it will enter tapped regardless.
Like sergiodelrio said, there isn't a "can't vs. can" conflict here because none of these effects are written to use "can't" language.
sergiodelrio says... #1
If it worked the way you suggest, when would Spelunking even ever make a difference (regarding the untapped line)? Hence I would assume it actually is supposed to override all "enters tapped" and "put onto battlefield tapped" effects.
Not 100% sure either tbh, and your "Can't overrides can" assumption is correct regardless, but there has to be an actual "can't" spelled out for this to be true on any of the cards involved, which it is not in this case.
November 8, 2023 9:32 a.m.