Ojer pakpatiq, can I use rebounded countersells to counter my other rebound spells?

Asked by BarfQuackers 2 months ago

Sorry for the poorly worded title but basically, say I have Ojer Pakpatiq, Deepest Epoch  Flip and on previous turns I cast Brainstorm and Remand. My next upkeep comes around can I cast Brainstorm and then cast Remand targeting brainstorm or nah?

Neotrup says... Accepted answer #1

You cannot. The rebound abilities of Brainstorm and Remand will both trigger at the same time, so you can choose the order to put them on the stack. If you put Brainstorm's trigger on top, you'll cast it while Remand's trigger is still on the stack, then resolve Brainstorm before Remand's trigger ever resolves. When the next trigger resolves, there won't be any targets for Remand, so it will stay in exile unable to be cast.

If instead you put Remand's trigger on top of the stack, it will resolve, but there won't be any spells on the stack (Brainstorm is still in exile, it just has a triggered ability on the stack.) Remand will remain in exile just like in the first example and then Brainstorm's trigger will resolve and you can cast it. The net result ends up the same regardless of how you stack the triggers.

TL;DR: You aren't able to rebound counterspells because the way the timing works there's never a spell on the stack to target.

March 5, 2024 6:11 p.m.

BarfQuackers says... #2

Neotrup Oh I see what I was missing, thank you for explaining it!

March 5, 2024 6:24 p.m.

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