Layers + Permeating Mass/Spawnwrithe

Asked by Delphen7 2 years ago

This is a lot of questions in one, but they all relate to layers and copy effects of two similar cards so I’m putting them together instead of a bunch of small questions.

The questions involve Permeating Mass, Spawnwrithe, Moonlace, Deep Freeze and Witness Protection from SNC.

1a) If a Permeating Mass is affected by Moonlace, are resulting clones also colorless?

1b) What about Spawnwrithe’s clones?

2a) If a Permeating Mass becomes enchanted by Witness Protection after dealing damage but before the trigger resolves, is the resulting creature also named Legitimate Businessman?

2b) What if it were Spawnwrithe?

3) If Permeating Mass deals damage to a creature enchanted by Deep Freeze style effect, what does the resulting creature look like?

4) If a Spawnwrithe tramples over a Permeating Mass, would the Spawnwrithe copy be a copy of the printed Spawnwrithe, or the Permeated Spawnwrithe?

Thanks!

Gidgetimer says... Accepted answer #1

1a) No

1b)No

2a) No

2b)

707.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The copiable values are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by its face-down status, and by “as . . . enters the battlefield” and “as . . . is turned face up” abilities that set power and toughness (and may also set additional characteristics). Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.

3) Copy effects are applied in layer 1, and then type change from Deep Freeze is applied in layer 4, color changing in layer 5, ability adding and removing in layer 6, and P/T setting in layer 7. The creature is a 0/4 blue and green spirit wall with defender and no other abilities.

613.1. The values of an object’s characteristics are determined by starting with the actual object. For a card, that means the values of the characteristics printed on that card. For a token or a copy of a spell or card, that means the values of the characteristics defined by the effect that created it. Then all applicable continuous effects are applied in a series of layers in the following order:

613.1a Layer 1: Rules and effects that modify copiable values are applied.

613.1b Layer 2: Control-changing effects are applied.

613.1c Layer 3: Text-changing effects are applied. See rule 612, “Text-Changing Effects.”

613.1d Layer 4: Type-changing effects are applied. These include effects that change an object’s card type, subtype, and/or supertype.

613.1e Layer 5: Color-changing effects are applied.

613.1f Layer 6: Ability-adding effects, keyword counters, ability-removing effects, and effects that say an object can’t have an ability are applied.

613.1g Layer 7: Power- and/or toughness-changing effects are applied.

4) Permeated Spawnwrithe. Both abilities trigger and go on the stack when combat damage is done. The active player's Spawnwrithe trigger will go on the stack first with the defending player's Permeating Mass on top of it. The stack will resolve FILO and the Spawnwrithe will be a copy of Permeating Mass by the time it's own copy ability resolves.

April 10, 2022 5:44 p.m.

Gidgetimer says... #2

oops, 2b) should also say "no" before the rules link.

April 10, 2022 5:45 p.m.