Humble vs as long as its in the battlefield.
Asked by JuhnZeiFox 7 years ago
Your opponent plays Dragonlord Silumgar gaining control of your creature/planeswalker. Question is, will playing a Humble as it enters the battlefield negate its control? as it no longer has any abilities before the stack resolves.But lets say you don't have that Humble till later in the game can you still Humble the dragon and permanently regain control of your old creature? only two more questions. What happens to the creature Dragonlord Silumgar controls if you Humble Dragonlord Silumgar during combat and the creature your to gain control of is already attacking?final question is some what the same as the first only it involves Humble vs Icefall Regent and weather or not I get to untap the tapped creature during my untap step if I Humble Icefall Regent during my opponents turn?
JuhnZeiFox says... #2
question is how does an ability work if it does not exist. you say Humble does nothing to his etb ability, but yet that in itself would be a lie as doing nothing means it has no affect, when in-truth the ability is removed from the creature until the end of turn. I feel your trying to tell me how it works however you have phased it in such away that does not back up or prove what your saying. so please elaborate on what you mean, and how the mechanic would work.
September 16, 2016 5:52 p.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... Accepted answer #3
611.2a A continuous effect generated by the resolution of a spell or ability lasts as long as stated by the spell or ability creating it (such as "until end of turn"). If no duration is stated, it lasts until the end of the game.
611.2b Some continuous effects generated by the resolution of a spell or ability have durations worded "for as long as . . . ." If the "for as long as" duration never starts, or it ends before the moment the effect would first be applied, the effect does nothing. It doesnt start and immediately stop again, and it doesnt last forever
Dragonlord Silumgar's "for as long as" duration ends as soon as you lose control of him. Not as soon as his abilities disappear. This continuous effect is not tied to the triggered ability that created it. So even if you get rid of the ability (via Humble, Humility, or Song of the Dryads), the duration will continue because the player still controls Dragonlord Silumgar.
September 16, 2016 6:20 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #4
Squig explained it correctly.
The first rule you need to know here is that an ability on the stack exists independently of its source. Removing the source, or removing the ability from the source, won't affect the instance of the ability on the stack. Therefore, casting Humble in response to the ETB ability does nothing, as the ability will still resolve.
Second, Dragonlord Silumgar's ability creates a one-shot control-change effect with a defined duration. Once created, the effect lasts until this duration is up. In this case, that duration is "for as long as you control Dragonlord Silumgar." Removing the ability from Dragonlord Silumgar doesn't change the duration of the effect because it has already been created and applied.
This is similar to Icefall Regent's case. Icefall Regent creates an effect that applies to the tapped creature. Removing the ability or the source of the ability doesn't remove the effect on the tapped creature.
Compare these cards to something like Honor of the Pure, which has a static ability rather than a one-shot effect, or cards like Oblivion Ring, which relies on a second triggered ability to change the game.
September 16, 2016 6:24 p.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... #5
Humility was a bad example card on my part. As it has a static ability that's always true, Dragonlord Silumgar will not have any abilities when he enters the battlefield and will therefore not have an etb trigger. So I'll change it to Sudden Spoiling.
Raging_Squiggle says... #1
To answer all of your questions in one swoop, Humble has no effect on the duration of Dragonlord Silumgar's ability. You return the stolen permanent when you lose control of Silumgar. It all happens with the resolution of the initial trigger. Removing the ability after it's triggered or resolved doesn't stop or end the effect.
Casting Humble in response to his etb ability does nothing to counter the ability from happening or having its effect.
Casting Humble later on in the turns after the etb ability has resolved does nothing and Dragonlord Silumgar's controller will continue to control the stolen permanent.
Nothing happens to the creature. It will remain declared as an attacker.
Still, Humble wouldn't stop the ability's effect from not untapping the creature.
September 16, 2016 5:37 p.m.