Geist and Exalted Triggers
Asked by Prima 9 years ago
Will Exalted resolve before the Angel for Geist enters the battlefield? I'm sure you know that I'm talking about Geist of Saint Traft. Also, if I have Sublime Archangel out, does the Geist get a buff from the angel token, or does exalted check status, not the declaration?
The deck that I'm talking about: Superheroes | Mixtape Bant
The answer chosen is INCORRECT
Please reference 702.82B "a creature "attacks alone" if its the only creature DECLARED as an attacker in a given combat phase.
Also rule 508.4
508.4. If a creature is put onto the battlefield attacking, its controller chooses which defending player or which planeswalker a defending player controls it's attacking as it enters the battlefield (unless the effect that put it onto the battlefield specifies what it's attacking). Such creatures are "attacking" but, for the purposes of trigger events and effects, they never "attacked."If a creature is put onto the battlefield attacking, its controller chooses which A creature attacks alone when its the only creature declared as an attacker during the turn-based actions of the Declare Attackers step.
The angel is attacking, but never was declared as an attacker, so the Exalted still works.
PLEASE do not accept or GIVE answers without the official rules being used.
Not trying to be an ass. I just....yea ...there is now a player believing the wrong info
January 23, 2015 12:52 a.m.
ApocryphalSaint I think you may have misread their answer? They are right.
Exalted triggers during the declare attackers step, at the same time as Geist's ability triggers.
With Geist of Saint Traft and Sublime Archangel on the battlefield, when you attack alone with Geist, three things trigger:
1/ Exalted on the Archangel
2/ Exalted on Geist it got from the Archangel
3/ Attacking trigger on Geist to make an angel
Regardless of the order you put those on the stack, you'll be left with a 4/4 flying attacking angel, and a 4/4 attacking Geist.
This is the same answer that Umbro gave, even if his word choice may have been slightly confusing. He said you don't gain any additional exalted bonuses from the angel token, since by the time it's actually on the battlefield and has exalted, you are past the point at which exalted can trigger, which is true.
January 23, 2015 6:54 a.m.
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #4
ApocryphalSaint: You kinda were being an ass, and my information wasn't incorrect. As Devonin said, my answer is the same one he provided, but with better wording.
January 23, 2015 12:16 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #5
UmbrotheUmbreon's original post was correct, and ApocryphalSaint's post missed an important part of the question.
Exalted triggers when attackers are declared. If you only declare Geist of Saint Traft as an attacker, then he will get the exalted bonus from any creatures currently on the battlefield. The Angel token was never declared as an attacker, and didn't yet exist at the time that its own Exalted ability (granted by Sublime Archangel) would have been able to trigger.
January 23, 2015 2:31 p.m.
you are right I did missed read it and jumped the gun UmbrotheUmbreon my bad. I apologize
UmbrotheUmbreon says... #1
Exalted triggers once you've finished declaring attackers, so even if you put the Geist trigger on top, the token it produces will not give you another bonus because exalted triggers have already triggered by then. Also, Exalted triggers check to see if a creature was declared as attacking. If another creature is put into play attacking (like your Geist trigger, or some other source), then it won't matter if the token comes in or not before exalted triggers.
January 22, 2015 5:31 p.m.