Dark Depths --land as a creature questions
Asked by veritas723 8 years ago
Say i have a Dark Depths in play ..it has. whatever many ice counters.
say I awaken Dark Depths or otherwise make the land a creature.
first question is. if Dark Depths itself is a creature, if i clone Dark Depths while it's a creature. would the the clone copy trigger the 20/20 avatar part?
would this work the same whether it's a clone affect like Cryptoplasm that is on the battlefield, and becomes the clone.... vs like a Clone that etbs as the cloned object. ...would the ETB aspect replicate/trigger dark depth's ETB ice counters?
also... as it occurs to me, copying a creature with counters, but no inherent power/toughness. would i also need an anthem? so my creature doesn't die by being a natural 0/0 ?
also... as a third case. say I have an awakened. or have turned Dark Depths into a creature, ...and I blink/exile it with... Deadeye Navigator would the return to the battlefield re-trigger the ice counters etb of dark depths?
brewing a Noyan Dar, Roil Shaper edh. thinking of ways to maximize abusing Dark Depths
Raging_Squiggle says... Accepted answer #1
Note first that when copying an animated permanent, the object that is copying it is not animated as that is not a copy-able value.
1) If you cast a Clone copying an animated Dark Depths, it will enter with 10 ice counters on it. Whenever a copy of a permanent happens, it copies all copy-able values which includes any and all abilities printed on the card.
2) Cryptoplasm can become a copy of an animated Dark Depths. It will have 0 ice counters on it, because it was already on the battlefield, and you may sacrifice it per the triggered ability to get the 20/20.
3) As stated initially, animation is not a copy-able value, so Clone or Cryptoplasm will become a non-animated Dark Depths.
4) If you flicker/blink an animated Dark Depths with Deadeye Navigator, it will return to the battlefield non-animated and with a new set of 10 ice counters.
5) Intruder Alarm works wonders with Noyan Dar, Roil Shaper as long as you have a way to throw a creature into play to untap your animated lands for more mana.
Note that when copying this land, it is a legendary permanent, so the legend rule will apply. For best results, (atleast for Cryptoplasm) sacrifice the real Dark Depths and let the triggered ability from Cryptoplasm/Dark Depths resolve, giving you the 20/20.
January 27, 2016 12:22 p.m.