Are reflexive triggers just triggered abilities?
Asked by Yesterday 2 years ago
Just wanna double check I have this right.
I have a few copies of Fiery Encore on the stack.
When I discard an Alchemist's Greeting to Fiery Encore, I have the choice of whether to resolve the Madness cast trigger or the Fiery Encore's reflexive trigger first?
When I discard a Kozilek, Butcher of Truth to Fiery Encore, I have the option to shuffle the graveyard into my library before or after the Fiery Encore trigger resolves?
And, as with spells that have you cast another spell as part of the first spell's resolution (like Baral's Expertise), players can respond and add things to the stack during the resolution of Fiery Encore because it puts new things on the stack to resolve as itself is resolving?
This seems like a bit of a non-question I guess. Basically, is there anything that makes reflexive triggered abilities in spells or abilities notably different from regular triggered abilities?
To clarify about casting during an effect's resolution: if a card like Baral's Expertise lets you cast a spell as part of its resolution, the casting takes place while Baral's Expertise is resolving. You will make choices, select targets, and put it on the stack, but neither you nor anyone else gets priority until Baral's Expertise finishes resolving, including any effects it has after casting the spell. After it finishes, priority passes as usual and players can respond to the spell you've cast.
October 17, 2021 4:18 p.m.
Sorry, what? A spell cast via Baral's Expertise and similar spells can't be responded to?
October 17, 2021 8:53 p.m.
"...players can respond and add things to the stack during the resolution of Fiery Encore because it puts new things on the stack to resolve as itself is resolving?"
I was responding to this specifically. No actions can be taken during the resolution of a spell or ability except for what it says. You can cast a spell as part of the resolution of Baral's Expertise, but that doesn't create an instant round of priority. You finish resolving Baral's Expertise and then a new round of priority happens as normal, during which people can respond to the spell Expertise let you cast.
Gidgetimer says... Accepted answer #1
Reflexes triggered abilities is simply what that type of ability is called in order to make a few rules that enable them to function. Normally triggered abilities must exist at the time that the triggering event happened in order to trigger. Reflexive triggers look back to earlier during the resolution of the spell or ability that created them to see if the triggered event happens. Other than that, they are simply triggered abilities.
You will be able to put both the reflexive trigger and any other thing that triggered since the last time a player received priority on the stack in whatever order you like. This DOES NOT function as Baral's Expertise or other spells/abilities that allow you to break timing restrictions and put something on the stack during another objects resolution does. Reflexive triggers, like other triggers, will trigger and then wait to be put on the stack the net time a player receives priority.
October 17, 2021 1:52 p.m.