Another Elesh Norn question
Asked by FatFreddiesCat 1 year ago
If I have Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines in play and cast Intrepid Adversary would I get two valor counters for each 1W I spent?
FatFreddiesCat says... #2
Thanks. Sorry, but I should have asked this at the same time: Would that be the same result with a card like Zephyrim with Squad?
February 19, 2023 9:55 p.m.
Zephyrim's tokens would be copied.
As a quick way to tell what does and doesn't work with Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines, look for sentences that start with
"When (cardname) enters the battlefield"
"Whenever a (permanent type) enters the battlefield"
"Whenever another (permanent type) enters the battlefield"
The rest of that sentence (and only that sentence) will be what Elesh Norn copies. With Intrepid Adversary, the key sentence is "When Intrepid Adversary enters the battlefield, you may pay any number of times." With Zephyrim, or other creatures with the Squad ability, the key sentence is part of the reminder text: "When this creature enters the battlefield, create that many tokens that are copies of it."
February 20, 2023 1:45 a.m.
Magic-ese is a very precise and technical language.
legendofa says... #1
No, you would get the option to pay any number of times twice. The placement of the counters is a secondary triggered ability whose trigger is the payment of the sets. The only "enters the battlefield" ability on Intrepid Adversary is the option to pay extra.
February 19, 2023 1:32 p.m.