burn deck help to refurbish
Modern Deck Help forum
Posted on Jan. 22, 2024, 8 p.m. by 9-lives
Igne Natura Renovatur Integra: the Inferno of Pan
I have most of what i need in this deck, but it's been years since I have looked at the newer cards that might be better than what i have. Please help me renovate my deck!
wallisface says... #2
9-lives it’s only “on the stack” until it has resolved, so players can still cast spells and activate abilities during the entire rest of the turn - both before the spell is cast and after it has resolved.
The only practical thing this spell will be doing 95% of the time is preventing someone being able to counterspell it. Which is occasionally relevant, but not at the cost of only dealing a pitiful 2 damage.
As a rule of thumb, if a card can’t reliably deal at least 3 damage, it’s not strong enough to be in a burn deck. Running cards like this will lose you numerous games by just running out of cards while your opponent still has life.
January 30, 2024 4:53 a.m.
wallisface I thought that if I cast Sudden Shock at the beginning of the opponent's turn, they can't cast any spells or activate abilities? Is that how it works?
January 30, 2024 6:39 p.m.
wallisface says... #4
9-lives no not at all. Split Second only applies while a spell is on the stack. A spell is only on the stack until it resolves - which in this case will be almost immediately.
If you cast Sudden Shock at the beginning of an opponents turn, they won’t be able to cast spells or activate abilities in response to that spell. But then, Sudden Shock resolves and deals 2 damage, and the opponent can then cast spells and activate abilities as normal.
The card is bad.
January 30, 2024 7:06 p.m.
wallisface I thought that if I cast Sudden Shock on the opponent's turn, they will cast, say a creature spell after I cast Sudden Shock and then the creature spell is considered nullified? I don't understand why it's only in response to my card that the stack has.
January 31, 2024 9:38 a.m.
9-lives A card is only "on the stack" between when it's cast and when it resolves. Before it's cast, it hasn't reached the stack yet, and when it resolves, it leaves the stack.
The reminder text for split second states that "As long as this spell is on the stack, players can’t cast spells or activate abilities that aren’t mana abilities." This means that during the period of time between when you cast Sudden Shock and when it resolves, nobody can cast spells or activate abilities (unless those abilities produce mana).
If somebody tries to cast a creature spell after you cast Sudden Shock but before Sudden Shock resolves, they simply can't. The creature spell isn't nullified, it just isn't allowed to begin in the first place. After Sudden Shock resolves, there are no more restrictions on what can be played. Everyone can cast spells freely.
January 31, 2024 11:58 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #8
The stack is one of 7 currently used game zones. "On the stack" like "on the battlefield" is just how it is phrased when a spell or ability is in that zone. Just like once a creature dies it is no longer "on the battlefield", once a spell resolves it is no longer "on the stack".
January 31, 2024 12:04 p.m.
wallisface says... #9
9-lives i’ve already explained to you that this is not the case, and both legendofa and Gidgetimer have also.
You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the stack is and how it works - this is going to cause you a LOT of issues in-game, as it’s one of the most-fundamental aspects to mtg.
I’d suggest doing some reading to get a better grasp of what the stack is and how players interact with it.
January 31, 2024 12:33 p.m.
jethstriker says... #10
While I agree that Sudden Shock is terrible in mainboard, I can say it has its merits as a sideboard card. When I was still playing RG Tron, it is one of the card considered in the sideboard because of how bad RG Tron's matchup is with UG Infect.
February 1, 2024 6:01 p.m.
wallisface says... #11
jethstriker yeah i could see it being a potential local-meta-call for a particularly rough matchup.
UG infect hasn’t existed in a competitive meta since Wrenn and Six & Lava Dart got printed, and I can’t even remember seeing RG tron - but if you local meta has specific problems only a niche card can answer, then it’s always the correct choice to include it.
February 1, 2024 6:56 p.m.
I really don't like the aspect of playing by the notion that I must know other people's decks. XP It's really bothersome to me.
February 4, 2024 6:20 a.m.
wallisface says... #13
9-lives magic is an interactive game, and even the most non-interactive of decks need to adjust play-patterns based on what they’re playing against. The game as a whole would have failed if it didn’t matter what your opponent was doing.
If having to be conscious/aware of your opponents capabilities is too much for you, then magic might not be the game for you. There are more “goldfishy” card games out there where interactivity and matchups have far less relevance.
If you want to stick with magic - then this skill is something you’ll need to learn if you want to improve.
9-lives says... #1
How good is Sudden Shock?! I know it's only 2 damage, but I don't know what it means by 'as long as this spell is on the stack'...? It's an instant, so it would be on the stack for only one turn? I think the ability to keep spells from being cast and removing abilities that aren't mana abilities is a huge thing.
January 30, 2024 4:20 a.m.