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Posted on Oct. 24, 2020, 12:49 a.m. by Benthehen333
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Benthehen333 says... #3
abby315, Omniscience_is_life, seshiro_of_the_orochi, EgyptianSpaceGamer, Lanzo493, VampDemigod, Caerwyn, RNR_Gaming, MagicMarc
Pinging the whole squad here, just letting everyone know that I'll be posting new cards only in this thread from now on, to avoid clutter. Making a custom set will be hard, so I'll need you guys to help me balance some cards so I don't have any Okos in my set :)
October 24, 2020 1:12 a.m.
seshiro_of_the_orochi says... #5
Regarding Jadmere: Herself having First Strike but giving Lifelink seems weird. Maybe use battle cry for both instead? This would better fit her flavour text as well. (Signal Pest as reference for battle cry)
I really like that dragon. I think you could push these stats a little, either make it 3/5 or 2/7.
October 24, 2020 2:31 a.m.
seshiro_of_the_orochi says... #6
One addition regarding Jadmere: You might want to consider play patterns of Gallia of the Endless Dance. Gallia works because most satyrs are expendable. This might not work with dwarves, so discarding at random might be worse than you think. Maybe just let her rumage or loot instead.
October 24, 2020 2:36 a.m.
Benthehen333 says... #7
Hmm I didn't even think of Battle Cry, that's a great idea. Should I make Jadmere's effect draw 2 discard 1 or maybe draw 2 discard 2?
October 24, 2020 3:01 a.m.
seshiro_of_the_orochi says... #8
I think plain, old (non-faithless) looting should be good enough.
October 24, 2020 3:05 a.m.
Benthehen333 says... #10
Man I wish I could edit comments lol. Here's another card, I'm not sure about the power level on this one:
October 24, 2020 3:12 a.m.
Here's my idea for Jadmere. I hope it works with the idea of a machine oriented plane. I would take off the lifelink part of her ability and add a new ability. Tap three untapped dwarves you control: return target Equipment card from your graveyard to your hand. It helps mitigate the discard effect while also showing the dwarve's ability to reuse trashed equipment. Or maybe tapping 5 dwarves and putting it straight into play like Gravespawn Sovereign does could work.
Scaled Scholar and Incendiary Rager seem fine. The Berserk ability is a nice nod to a famous card. It's balanced enough. You'd have to try harder to break the berserk ability. Like putting it on infect. I think a fun way to use the berserk ability is to tag it into a pheonix card that can keep coming back from the graveyard and berserking again.
October 24, 2020 3:15 a.m.
Benthehen333 says... #12
Lanzo493 - You're a genius, I'm gonna make a phoenix right now lol. I changed Jadmere to have battle cry, but I'll consider changing it to the equipment recursion because that would be awesome. I could also just make another dwarf that does the recursion thing.
October 24, 2020 3:17 a.m.
seshiro_of_the_orochi says... #14
There is the actual creature type phoenix. No need for bird elemental.
Also, I don't understand that triggern. Why'd you word it like that? What's the intention?
October 24, 2020 9:30 a.m.
VampDemigod says... #15
I love the Phoenix. 5/5. Honestly, it could be an uncommon. seshiro_of_the_orochi the wording means it won’t return if you swung with it on your last turn. That gives your opponent a one-turn break before it starts swinging again. Otherwise it would basically never die.
I think Jadmere is pretty good as-is. She’s reached a nice place, where she’s quite balanced.
If you do make an equipment-returner dwarf, I’d suggest making its ability either tap 2 dwarves to return the equipment to your hand, or 4 to return it to the battlefield. Not both though. The reason I suggest this cost reduction is because equipment are not as powerful as creatures, so the cost should be a little less.
I could also see the equipment-returning dwarf become an artifact-returning dwarf. In that case, I’d suggest using the 3 or 5 cost instead of the 2 or 4 cost.
October 24, 2020 9:38 a.m.
I'm glad to see you putting together an actual set - I see a lot of cards here which are just mythic rares out of context so it's good to see you attempting a range of cards which actually provides balance.
With regards to the Spark Phoenix trigger - I don't think that the way it's worded will work. When an object changes zones, it basically becomes a new instance of itself, menaing that the Spark Phoenix in your graveyard will not remember it attacking or not attacking. You may have to use wording more like
"At the beginning of your upkeep, if you didn't attack with any creatures named Spark Phoenix, you may return Spark Phoenix from your graveyard to your hand."
Unfortunately this means that if you have multiple Spark Phoenixes they will negatively interact with each other, however wihtout using some sort of token exchange, I don't think there will be a cleaner way to do this (not to mention the word space on the card).
October 24, 2020 9:55 a.m.
VampDemigod says... #17
Edit to the wording enpc posted: "At the beginning of your upkeep, if you didn't attack with any creatures named Spark Phoenix during your last turn, you may return Spark Phoenix from your graveyard to your hand."
Enpc had missed the “last turn”. Figured I should put this in in case you copy/pasted. I do like that text better.
October 24, 2020 10:55 a.m.
Benthehen333 says... #19
Hmm that's a good point, I missed that! Thanks for the help!
October 24, 2020 11:57 a.m.
Benthehen333 says... #20
This is what happens when I try to create complex triggers at 3 in the morning haha.
October 24, 2020 12:05 p.m.
An important thing to note about the phoenix is that this will return itself to your hand as a free card in any self mill deck. Perhaps even multiple of them. You can even bring them back every single turn and pitch them to Faithless Looting every turn for a continual discard outlet for card advantage provided you don’t cast any of them. It’s just a continual discard for value effect.
October 24, 2020 12:12 p.m.
Benthehen333 says... #22
Ok, I changed the wording to: "At the beginning of your upkeep, you may return Spark Phoenix from your graveyard to the battlefield. If you do, it deals 2 damage to you." I could change this to 3 damage.
October 24, 2020 12:15 p.m.
seshiro_of_the_orochi says... #23
Looks good!
VampDemigod: I should have elaborated more: The trigger didn't seem to make sense. This was an aggressive creature, and to get it back, two things would have to occur: It would have to stay out of the red zone, and it would still have to die after. Possible, but useless in an aggro deck.
I like the new version a lot better. Benthehen333: May I suggest you add the cards to the starting post every once in a while?
October 24, 2020 1:40 p.m.
Benthehen333 says... #24
@seshiro_of_the_orochi: good idea, I should have done that before!
October 24, 2020 2:56 p.m.
Benthehen333 says... #25
Oh, and what if I just had one card there at a time, so the post didn't get uber-long?
October 24, 2020 2:57 p.m.
You can hide the cards under accordians so that they don't take up tons of space.
like this
October 24, 2020 6:03 p.m.
Benthehen333 says... #27
Lanzo493 - another great idea! You get a cookie.
October 24, 2020 7:50 p.m.
VampDemigod says... #28
The hydra’s ability should probably read “up to X target artifacts”. Unless you want to intentionally make that both a bonus and a drawback. (The drawback is that if X is too big, you may have to destroy your own artifacts). Also, I’d advise making the damage clause be “to target creature or planeswalker”, instead of “to any target”. I particularly like adding that clause, but also making the damage “twice X damage”. This would mean that if you cast it into an empty board, it would kill itself. This removes some of the power of this card.
Feel free to ignore these suggestions, they’re just that. Suggestions.
October 24, 2020 8:11 p.m.
VampDemigod says... #29
Also, a fun idea that occurred to me, based off of the Oblivion-whatever monstrosity, was the idea of having one creature type in this set, where all the cards are overcosted, but have affinity for their creature type. This might work for machines, but you’d have to make the oblivion-monstrosity’s cmc be 20 or something to make that balanced.
There might be some other creature type you could do it with.
October 24, 2020 8:14 p.m.
VampDemigod says... #30
I really like the idea of making the hydra giant having punishments.
October 24, 2020 8:24 p.m.
Benthehen333 says... #31
VampDemigod - thanks for the suggestions, they're always appreciated! I did mean for the artifact destruction to have a drawback, but I think the damage ability is fine, considering it's a rare. I could change it if it proves to be broken.
October 24, 2020 8:43 p.m.
Wait you will never be able to copy anything with thundervale dualcasters bolt ablilty due to bolt beeing sorcery speed...
October 24, 2020 8:51 p.m.
VampDemigod says... #33
Note on Azeth: you can’t add hybrid mana. What you’re looking for is “add (white mana symbol) or (blue mana symbol)”. Hybrid mana can only be used in card costs.
October 24, 2020 9:06 p.m.
Benthehen333 says... #34
saluma how did I miss that‽ I'll just change bolt to be instant speed instead.
VampDemigod - really? I didn't know that!
October 24, 2020 9:08 p.m.
VampDemigod says... #35
Yeah, it’s kind of counterintuitive.
I’ll look thru the cards more closely in around an hour btw.
October 24, 2020 9:18 p.m.
King_marchesa says... #36
This is such a great set idea!!! I think that jezka is kind of version of Padeem, Consul of Innovation. Maybe make it so that you draw 2 for a 3 cmc artifact. Also maybe make her cost less mana 4 maybe. Also I kind of think that Kara is kind of lackluster. Maybe have her draw 2 and discard 2 no matter what but the bolt cost makes it so that she divides the total cmc of the cards as damage between creatures.
October 24, 2020 9:27 p.m.
VampDemigod says... #37
The last sentence of Lightning Lash should read “If its bolt cost was paid, it INSTEAD deals 5 damage to any target.” (Capitalized the addition). As it currently reads, the bolt cost deals both 2 and 5.
Also, it could probably be an uncommon.
October 24, 2020 9:51 p.m.
VampDemigod says... #38
It might be more on-theme for red for Kara to be double rummage, not double mill. Just a thought.
October 24, 2020 9:53 p.m.
VampDemigod says... #39
Edit: meant to say looting not mill. Idk why I said mill.
October 24, 2020 9:54 p.m.
VampDemigod says... #40
Explore the Unknown is on the edge of me wanting to suggest making it cost 3GW. I’d wait to see how good it actually ends up being in the set before changing it though.
October 24, 2020 9:57 p.m.
VampDemigod says... #41
May I suggest making Endurocycle a 3/1 instead of a 4/1, or making its crew 2? It just feels kind of bad to be on the draw, have your opponent play a 1/1, and know that, no matter what color they’re in, you’ll probably get hit for 4 if you don’t have a 1-drop. At least Crew 2 makes it not hit that soon, and 3 power makes it less rough. I wouldn’t suggest both though.
October 24, 2020 10:01 p.m.
VampDemigod says... #42
All in all, this is a really fun set so far! I love it!
October 24, 2020 10:03 p.m.
RiotRunner789 says... #43
I like the Iron Gorger Hydra but it ends up being a bit in the weak side. At 6 mana it ends up being a 2/2. Maybe give it base stata of 2/2 or better since it's g/r of base stats of 3/3 or 3/2.
October 24, 2020 10:25 p.m.
Benthehen333 says... #44
RiotRunner - I think it says "twice X counters" right? So it would be a 4/4?
VampDemigod - woah, thanks for all the feedback! I'll change the wording for Bolt and I think Kara would still be balanced if she just did a Thrill of Possibility type thing: draw 2, then discard 1.
October 24, 2020 10:56 p.m.
Benthehen333 says... #45
New text for Kara: "When Kara enters the battlefield, draw two cards, then discard a card. If its bolt cost was paid, it deals damage to target creature equal to the discarded card's converted mana cost."
October 24, 2020 11:01 p.m.
Benthehen333 says... #46
King_marchesa - I think Jezka is fine, drawing 2 for a 3 mana artifact is on the verge of being broken, so I tried to make an actually balanced artifact-based blue card lol. I updated Kara too! Thanks for the feedback.
October 24, 2020 11:09 p.m.
Omniscience_is_life says... #47
Great decision putting the clause on Oblivion Engine that for it to trigger it must be effected by an opponent, saved us from a lot of shenanigans there, mate
October 24, 2020 11:20 p.m.
I'm just going to clear up some rules stuff for Bolt cost. It is not an additional cost like kicker, so you don't need to say "if it's bolt cost was payed," rather you say "if it was cast for its bolt cost." This reflects the reminder text in cards with dash or flashback, like Sprinting Warbrute and Defy Gravity. By phrasing the Bolt ability like flashback is worded, i.e. you may cast this card for its bolt cost, then the timing of when you can cast a flash creature or instant/sorcery will remain the same.
Something weird to note, as I researched alternative casting costs, not a single one was as good as your Bolt cost. Literally every single alternative casting cost has some kind of extra requirement, costs extra mana, or has some drawback. Flashback, madness, miracle, prowl, surge all require some condition to be met. Assist and convoke require help, too. Overload and awaken cost extra mana. Evoke and dash have a drawback. But Bolt is just something you can choose to do for extra benefits, which seems to behave more similarly to kicker abilities. Just some food for thought, but remember that basically every new set has new mechanics that tread new rules territory anyway (like mutate just a few months ago). I like the Bolt ability.
October 24, 2020 11:31 p.m.
Benthehen333 says... #49
Lanzo493 - Hmm, good point there, luckily I only have to change the wording on 3 cards :)
October 25, 2020 12:09 a.m.
Benthehen333 says... #50
Also, what do you guys think about moving the main post to a decklist on my profile, so it doesn't go away and I can deckcycle it for more input?
Benthehen333 says... #2
October 24, 2020 12:53 a.m.