blue eqvialent of disenchant
Standard Deck Help forum
Posted on Oct. 22, 2020, 6:19 p.m. by CaptRicardoQueso
looking for a blue equivalent of disenchanct or remove/exile target permanent
Blue mostly just bounces enchantments. To actually get rid of them, your only options are artifacts like Meteor Golem or waiting it out with Reality Acid.
October 22, 2020 6:55 p.m.
There are no Standard-legal options in mono-Blue to destroy or exile enchantments.
You are going to have to use a bounce spell to return the permeant to its owners hand. It is not an ideal solution as your opponent can always recast the card, but it buys you a turn without the enchantment on the field and gives you the option of countering it when they try to recast.
Your best Standard options that hit enchantments are probably Into the Roil and Brazen Borrower.
October 22, 2020 6:58 p.m.
Save enough mana so that after you bounce it, you can cast something like Ashiok's Erasure when they try to cast it again. As long as your opponent doesnt have enchantment removal you can keep them from playing theirs again while your Ashiok's Erasure remains in play.
As a side note, you can also bounce this yourself and use it against other spells if you reach a point where you dont care about the original enchantment anymore.
October 22, 2020 7:05 p.m.
VampDemigod says... #6
@Balaam__ and Lanzo493
Check what format the question is about before you answer. Everything you two suggested isn’t legal in standard. This thread is in the STANDARD Deck Help forum.
To OP: None of the cards they suggested are standard legal. Caerwyn and MagicMarc’s answers are Standard legal, and tbh, they covered basically everything.
October 22, 2020 8:15 p.m.
To the OP; How stuck are you on mono-blue? If the need to destroy enchantments is a big part of your local meta then I would suggest splashing a support color that provides the answers you need.
Or splash the color into your sideboard along with land and/or mana producers for that color. You could always do a Game 2 transformative package with your sideboard.
October 22, 2020 8:43 p.m.
UpperDeckerTaco says... #8
MagicMarc You can bounce Ashiok's Erasure with the ability to exile the spell on the stack to exile the spell permanently...
October 22, 2020 11:03 p.m.
I knew I liked that spell. Its like the perfect counterspell theme-wise to add to a janky Mangara of Corondor abusing deck.
October 23, 2020 1:10 a.m.
VampDemigod says... #10
UpperDeckerTaco which ability are you referring to?
Also, I’m not sure if that’s true. The exile ability is upon entering the battlefield, and the return ability is upon leaving the battlefield it returns the spell.
So yeah, not sure how you expect to exile the spell, return erasure, and not have the spell go back to their hand.
Also, if you do find a way to stifle the LTB ability, it will only stop them from casting spells with the same name as the most recently exiled spell.
October 23, 2020 12:18 p.m.
VampDemigod says... #11
Just realized Balaam blocked me for correcting what they said. Rude.
Also, I know I was a bit harsh but it’s REALLY EASY to check what forum you’re in. Not to mention, idk if OP is a newer player, but I’d imagine so (sorry if you aren’t op), and naming cards that aren’t standard legal will only confuse OP unless someone corrects it.
Maybe I should submit this to SMAR to find out if I’m the magical a**hole. XD
October 23, 2020 12:23 p.m.
You're fine, VampDemigod. Some people just aren't familiar with how you talk on Tappedout, is all. I was already prepared for a harsh remark, so I didn't get offended by it. I have little experience commenting in forums, so it was a good thing to point out that I should check the forum of what I'm commenting on.
I don't know standard too well, but the only things that haven't been mentioned for enchantment removal are Stern Dismissal into Negate. Since blue has counterspells, which are universally good at dealing with spells, they nerf blue's ability to handle permanents to balance it.
Concerning the Ashiok's Erasure trick, it's rather hard to pull off. You need a card that can bounce an enchantment you control back to your hand at instant speed, and I think Into the Roil is the only card that can do it. Here's how you can permanently exile any spell your opponent casts. First, they cast their spell. You play Ashiok's Erasure on the stack. When it enters, its first ability triggers to exile target spell (the opponent's spell). Before that trigger resolves, bounce Ashiok's Erasure back to your hand using Into the Roil. Then, it's leave the battlefield trigger will go on the stack. It will resolve first, returning nothing because it hasn't exiled anything yet. Then, it's enters the battlefield trigger will resolve, exiling your opponent's spell you targeted at the very beginning. It no longer has any way to return from exile. This type of loophole only works for cards that have two separate paragraphs of text with an "enters" and "leaves" the battlefield ability. This is why Oblivion Ring is different from Banishing Light. Lots of cards can be abused this way, and it's a trick I learned from commander.
October 23, 2020 2:36 p.m.
VampDemigod says... #13
Thanks Lanzo! I’m sorry for being so harsh.
And that’s a SWEET trick.
October 23, 2020 5:03 p.m.
It also famously works with Mangara of Corondor. Activate his ability targeting his victim, then with his ability on the stack, you tap something like Karakas targeting Mangara to return him to your hand. Then, without any other plays, you resolve the stack. Your karakas activation resolves first, putting Mangara in your hand. Then his exile ability resolves exiling his target but not him because he is in your hand.
You had to do a lot of explaining back when Mangara of Corondor was legal in Standard.
There are other cards you can do these tricks with as well. You can make a pretty oppressive deck with them.
October 23, 2020 6:07 p.m.
UpperDeckerTaco says... #15
VampDemigod......Not to say "i told you so", but.... ;) Cheers my dude lol.
Balaam__ says... #2
Blue is weak in this respect. Blue can bounce things very well, but true destruction or exiling is rare. Pongify comes to mind, but that or any card like it usually has some sort of drawback accompanying it. Frogify is something to look into as well. Hope this helps.
October 22, 2020 6:34 p.m.