Boros Burn
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Posted on Sept. 28, 2022, 7:36 p.m. by 9-lives
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Should i run Braid of Fire or Eidolon of the Great Revel? I think my tactic with Monastery Mentor and Soulfire Grand Master would be removed if I did get those cards, possibly? Or should I run all of it and make sure i don't die from Eidolon of the Great Revel by having Soulfire Grand Master?
id say Eidolon of the Great Revel is the way to go. If playing burn just stick to the plan of "whatever hurts my opponent gets me closer to winning.
September 28, 2022 7:50 p.m.
Ahh thanks wallisface! Makes sense. I just am afraid that all of my 3 and lower MV cards would destroy me before my opponent with Eidolon of the Great Revel
September 28, 2022 9:03 p.m.
i think that could only/typically happen in the mirror match... and if there is other burn/RDW in your meta give Dragon's Claw a go for the sideboard.
September 28, 2022 9:06 p.m.
wallisface says... #6
Yeah burn never really loses from running out of life - it loses to running out of gas and the opponent still having life remaining. You only need to ensure that your cards all hit hard and fast.
September 28, 2022 9:15 p.m.
Perhaps a card that lets me cast more quickly? Like an exile but cast from top of deck card? Dunno.
September 28, 2022 9:21 p.m.
What about Monastery Mentor?? Seems like a really useful card.
September 28, 2022 9:23 p.m.
wallisface says... #9
Monastery Mentor belongs in an entirely different deck. It’s generally too slow for burn, and wants to be in a deck with more recursion/value-games. It kindof needs Unearth to be remotely playable, as its so slow/clumsy for 3-mana, and hyper-likely to die before it does anything.
Have you checked the mtgGoldfish link i’d posted before on the top-tier burn deck? That’s the direction you want to be heading in.
September 28, 2022 10:48 p.m.
wallisface I don't see the point of Goblin Guide, and Monastery Swiftspear is somewhat useful. If I am going to run something like those cards, I would rather run Electrostatic Field for budget reasons as well as practical reasons. Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer is prohibitvely expensive, and so is Monastery Swiftspear.
September 28, 2022 11:27 p.m.
wallisface says... #11
9-lives Goblin Guide is really good for getting in a lot of quick damage, often securing at least 4-damage minimum. Monastery Swiftspear is also great for similar reasons of being able to put down fast damage. Swiftspear is only $0.79 so I have no idea how you can call this “prohibitively expensive” - it’s under $1!!
Nobody suggested playing Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer, neither me nor any link I posted. I’m not sure where/when you assumed that was suggested. It’s not a good card for burn in anycase.
Electrostatic Field is also a bad card for burn, and you’d be better off just running more burn spells rather than that (though note, at $1.50, it’s twice as expensive as Swiftspear)
September 28, 2022 11:34 p.m.
wallisface ah sorry, I didn't check the price of swiftspear. And, yes, I've seen Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer used in a lot of older burn decks. It's a good 2/1 for generating treasure tokens early in game. I'm thinking of keeping Monastery Mentor in the sideboard just in case. And many times and occasions Deflecting Palm has won me games, and would have won me games, if I were to have it. For instance, an opponent dropped an Emrakul, and if I hadn't used my Deflecting Palm earlier, I would have simply used it against him and won.
September 28, 2022 11:44 p.m.
Dead_Blue_ says... #13
Vexing Devil is bad in burn because it’s a horrible top deck. Imagine running out of cards, a common scenario for burn and drawing a Vexing Devil which your opponent lets hit the board cause they have removal in hand versus drawing another Lightning Bolt that could win you the game.
You can make a Boros Midrange deck and that’s fine but Burn really only wants Goblin Guide, Monastery Swiftspear, and Eidolon of the Great Revel …if it was going to take something else it’ll probably be Grim Lavamancer
September 29, 2022 2:40 a.m.
jethstriker says... #15
One thing I may add, pay attention to your mana base. It's understandable to skip the fetch-shock mana base for budget reasons, but don't try to replace it with Evolving Wilds. Instead try to use Inspiring Vantage and/or some number of Battlefield Forge, then adjust your basic land count accordingly.
September 29, 2022 4:36 a.m.
wallisface says... #16
There's a good article on running burn at various budgetary levels here. If you do end up running stuff like Shock, Monastery Mentor, Vexing Devil, Lightning Strike, Deflecting Palm, Risk Factor, Rip Apart etc, then by all means live your dreams, but do be aware you'll be running a brew that is strictly worse than what you could be for that same budget. Rip Apart, Monastery Mentor, and Shock in particular are all terrible cards for burn and will make it a LOT harder for you to reliably win games (Rip Apart is at least playable in the sideboard).
In any case, you should definitely take on the advise of jethstriker and fix up the manabase. Burn generally needs 20 lands to begin with (so your land count is too low at the moment), but then you should always be aiming towards lands that don't enter tapped. Even Clifftop Retreat is too risky to be useful, and you'd be better off just playing all-basics than either that or Evolving Wilds. Battlefield Forge is a really good budget option for providing two colours.
September 29, 2022 4:56 a.m.
TheoryCrafter says... #17
Have you considered Soul-Scar Mage? Even if it ends up as a sideboard option, it would be useful against creatures with indestructible. Happy Hunting!
wallisface says... #2
Eidolon of the Great Revel is a great staple in Modern burn decks, and often a must-have.
Conversely, both Soulfire Grand Master and Braid of Fire are terrible for burn. Burn wants a game to go quickly, and neither of these cards help with that. Soulfire Grand Master doesn’t really threaten the opponent at all, and burn never wants a game to go long enough to have 4+ mana available for that ability… the card is super-bad. Similarly, burn is intended to be so quick and low-to-the-ground that Braid of Fire does nothing for you, it just robs you of a turn & card wasted casting it.
Looking at the rest of the list, I would suggest to ditch Shock. 2 damage is too low to be useful. Rip Apart is also super-bad because it can’t hit-face. Likewise running any more than 1-2 copies of Deflecting Palm is excessive… the card really isn’t that good and is better as a sideboard option.
Top tier boros burn already exists as a pretty-solved concept, i’d suggest looking at what’s being played at the moment here.
September 28, 2022 7:48 p.m.